Saturday, November 19, 2005

How Muslims Perceive Us

How Muslims Perceive Us

I had decided a while ago that I should write this e-mail, but other things always came first. Today i read something very shocking on an e-group, about bibian going out with muslim boys. What was most shocking was that people on the group just seemed to accept this. But can I ask why do we accept this?

In the last few years, I have become quite involved with some of these situations, not intentionally, but by accident. As some of you may know I now live in Leeds, which is right next to Bradford (Mini-Pakistan). Over the last year, when I went to some of the local Gurdwaras ( there are many), I would occasionally get distraught parents come up to me telling me to talk to their children. The reason they asked me, because I can speak english, british-born sikh, who attempts to practice. It started off with one girl who said she madly wants to marry a muslim boy, her parents will not agree, so they brought her to talk to me. Naturally I was a bit shocked, but I spoke to her at the gurdwara. She told me how much they loved each other, she was going to convert and they were going to marry. I asked her if he really did love her. She said yes. I said, "You are going to convert for him, out of love. I do not ask him to take Amrit, but will he, out of love for you, just come to the gurdwara, and just bow in front of Sahib Siri Guru Granth sahib ji. Surely if you can convert for him, he can do this much for you?"

To cut the story short, he would not. She stuck by him, two weeks later ran off with him. They were not seen for six weeks, until she came home, after he had dumped her for another girl. Two other cases came to me, different in structure, but similar storyline. Eventually, I thought enough is enough. I went on the gurdwara stage and spoke about muslims, panjabi girls, fundamental muslim groups, etc. Guru Maharaj de kirpa, the sangat responded, an ever-expanding youth group has been set-up, we did the shabad-Guru samagam,which included a youth camp,in which this subject was particularly discussed. Now the youth are getting ready to create mass education on Sikhi in this area, as this was seen as a starting point.

I KNOW THIS IS A LONG E-MAIL, BUT IMPORTANT. PLEASE READ ON.

Since the smamgam, because of the camp I have had another 4 cases. I know maharaj will help all those who need it. But I have noticed a pattern which i what I want to share. Every situation is different, different ages, environment, etc. But one fundamental pattern.

There are two types of muslim boys;
FUNDAMENTAL MUSLIM - these usually belong to particular groups. They do not care for the individuals, they look at who she is. They target sikh,hindu,christain and jewish girls. Romancing, flattery, games, etc, to get these in girls in their circle, leading towards conversion. Shocking as it may seem these boys truely believe if they convert a non-muslim into Islam, then they will be Mukt. (Liberated)
NON-RELIGIOUS MUSLIMS - they care little about religion, for them it is a social thing. If they go out with pakistani girls and get them pregnent, their community forces them to get married. They do not want to get married, but just go with girls. So they INTENTIONALLY pick sikh/hindu/white girls, because they can do what they want, there is no comeback. If the girls get pregnent, their community does not care, these are just cheap girls for their boys to use as they grow up. They are not pakistani muslim girls, who are pure. hence the pakistani community a major superiority complex over the others.

PUNJABI GIRLS - Notice i call them punjabi, because they have little knowledge on Sikhi, and no practice. The pattern I have found in the girls is what i call the "Bollywood Concept". These girls wholeheartedly believe love will conquer all. As in films, there is a social divide, their parents are against it, their community is against, but no matter love will always win. However these poor girls get a reality check, when the boy`s sisters, mother and other family do not want this "cheap" girl" in their family. Or the boy has had his fun and wants to move on to the next girl, or get maried to a respectable girl. Love suddenly disappears, and she is left humilliated in front of her friends, family and community FOR LIFE, because people do not forget.

I am not racist. I know punjabi boys are just as bad. But we as a community have got to look at how muslims percieve us. They do target punjabi girls, because they are considered easy. Many years ago, A hindu brahmin journalist wrote in a national newspaper, "The Daily Telegraph" that sikh girls are the most uninhibited, ie.(cheap), in the asian community. Fundamental muslim do target sikh girls, they are desparate for a dastaar wale girl just to humiliate sikhs. How are we as a community reacting. Why do we accept this? Why are our girls so niave that they think everything is so innocent. Why do they play games?

the muslim community here, has a major problem of pakistani girls running away with non-muslims, due to seeing the hypocrisy and attitudes of muslims boys. However the are trying to tackle the situation, hence have a £5million pound grant for a school for muslim girls.

We as sikhs look at Sarbat da bhalla (consideration for all mankind). But we also have realise not everyone else is like that. We as a community cannot tolerate our community to be precieved in this way. We are not cheap or asain trash. The sikh community should be the most moral, upstanding, hardworking, civilised and sophisticated society as created by our Guru`s. THAT IS OUR STANDARD.

A benti to everyone, have some self-respect! Especially to all the Bibian, do not let girls who are your friends behave like this. Say something. Educate them. It is not innocently going to the cinema with some boys, who happen to be muslims. The deeper they go the more they get burned.

I know alot of people may not like this e-mail, or will disagree with it. Some people may say there is not a problem. If you go to any college, uni, etc, you will see there is a problem. DO YOUR COMMUNITY A FAVOUR, DO NOT ACCEPT IT!!!!!

5 comments:

Hari Singh said...

That's a very informative post based on your experience in the area and I am sure all young girls who will read it will realise that they need to be careful with all types of boys who just want fun.

Unfortunately, the message is not getting to the girls who need to hear this because these girls do not read blogs about sikhi. They are probably out with those boys or watching a Bollywood movie.

I think you need to do a poster based on facts so that it is not seen as discrimination and this need to go to all Gurdwaras and then to all Sikh homes. What do you think?

Many thanks for the information.

Sikh Alert said...

Thats a extract from www.whyichosesikhism.com

That is a great Idea.

We are unsure on what we can do. Any suggestions are much appreciated.

Even with posters, etc we have to be carefull we do not want to cause tention but just awken the youth.

But I think the poster is a great Idea.

Panjabi said...

Why does it matter what others think of you? Yes, you should not be ignorant and make sure you dont offend other people, but why not just concentrate on yourself instead of slagging of others and passing the blame?
And also, I would like to say, SIKH boys are JUST AS MUCH to blame, as Sikh Girls who convert. The thinking of Muslim boys (i.e. use a girl outside the community for fun) also applies to SIKH BOYS. I Have many Sikh Male mates who have this thinking and go around with Goreyian, and muslim girls... knowing that they are just going out with them for fun and no long-term relationship.
Because it is Girls, the issue gets raised... but yet at the same time, we dont let sikh women do seva or kirtan and Harminder Sahib?!
A case of double standards....

Sikh Alert said...

Have I stated I am against women doing seva? I am pro women’s rights I think my sisters and mothers are equal and there has never been a problem according to Rehat Maryada its just now some Jathas have kicked a fuss up. You need to get clued up my friend.

Actually it’s a fact that extremist Muslims are preaching to youth that converting a Sikh will get them to heaven but also they will receive up to £10,000.

"Sikh" women are also being taken to Pakistan and then sold as prostitutes in brothels.

Where have we slagged anyone one. This blog merely states the truth. Don’t be quick to judge with out all the facts.

Anonymous said...

I'm really gad that tese types of issues are being talked of and understood by lots of people. In recent years 5 even 10 this awareness has increased. I have seen similar things posted over the last couple of years. You may not think this but people like yourself are making real progress. May Wahaguru bless you for you sava.